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The Origin of the Futhark Runestaves
Sender:	Abronsius Belsnickle
Created:	11.12.02 15:53
The Origin of the Futhark Runestaves In determining the origin of the Futhark runes and their order it is important to go to the earliest form of the dialog of Solomon and Saturn which is in Old Saxon, rather than the later forms in Norse or Anglo Saxon. The Old Saxon dialog starts with a presentation by a person named Saturn who represents the old, superceded wisdom. Saturn presents the Ash Twigged Futhar Ura, which is the Lords Prayer where the order of the runes are determined by their occurrence in the prayer, as below. fu[th]ar ura, ku ar[th] gawuhn in hafniji, a[th] gawyhn [th]in nafn, a[th] gapyhn [th]in rika, a[th] gawyzn [th]in a[th]az, swa in hafniji, sa in gartiji, [th]a fra afra breta uram, gyfa us taglyke, ak fargyf us ura a[th]az, swa sa we fargyfa uram a[th]am, ak ne galyt us in kastniji, alk alys us af yfele, swa sa [th]in, [th]et kyni[ng]dom, [th]et myha, [th]et wara, at [th]an ayran, so[th]lyke fu[th]ar ura f u [th] a r our father ku ar[th] gawuhn in hafniji k g w h n i j who art dwelling in the heavens a[th] gawyhn [th]in nafn y let it be hallowed, thine name a[th] gapyhn [th]in rika p let it become, thine kingdom a[th] gawyzn [th]in a[th]az z let it be, thine oaths swa in hafniji s as in the heavens sa in gartiji t so also in the earth [th]a fra afra breta uram b e m the from above bread of ours gyfa us taglyke l give us daily ak fargyf us ura a[th]az and forgive us our owings swa sa we fargyfa uram a[th]am as so we forgive our owed tos ak ne galyt us in kastniji and do not bring us into trial alk alys us af yfele except free us from evil swa sa [th]in for so thine [th]et kyni[ng]dom [ng] d o the kingdom [th]et myha the potential [th]et wara the real at [th]an ayran to the ages so[th]lyke so it is

Re: part two: The Origin of the Futhark Runestaves
Sender:	Abronsius Belsnickle
Created:	11.12.02 15:55
After that, Saturn goes rune by rune, giving the name and power of each. He then gives the first riddle which is an explication of the first rune "f". He asks, "Where can no man walk on feet" and answers "on the sea". At this point Solomon jumps in and answers "Any man may walk on the sea when it is frozen, where no man may walk is in Hel, where all are upside down" (Hel being a sort of topsy turvy land and the reason that conjured ghosts are upside down when they appear as the prophet Samuel conjured up by the witch of Endor) Solomon then presents the Palm Twigged Pater Noster, which is the runes in the order in which they occur in the Latin prayer. (Latin is apparently more holy than Saxon), and then presents each rune with a theological rather than a magical meaning. (the pater noster contains less different runes than the futhark, so it makes a somewhat shorter alphabet) Saturn then presents the rest of the riddles, which he was going to explain, and Solomon answers with a theological interpretation, some of which are amazingly far from the original answer to the riddle. At that point, the dialog ends with Solomon triumphant. (the original answers are not given in the dialog but can be found separately in a Norse question and answer of the names given to natural phenomena by men, elves, gods and giants, as a sort of addendum) The above lends some credence to the supposition that the Urlari, the rune users par excellence, were Christian missionaries to the Germanic tribes, rather than supposed elves or wizards. The later forms of the dialog in Norse and Anglo Saxon apparently dropped the Futhark part of the dialog because it didn't make sense in those languages.

Re[2]: part two: The Origin of the Futhark Runestaves
Sender:	Фланс
Created:	12.12.02 20:56
Уважаемый Abronsius Belsnickle! Теперь еще бы сослаться на анализируемый источник и аргументировать выборку рун из текста. Тогда можно рассматривать эту заметку, как что-либо серьезное. Все ведь понимают, что профанировать древние традиции сейчас модно. Добавите то, что я указал, ОК? (Хотя я, конечно, сильно сомневаюсь, что автор прочитает эти строки).

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